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Dr. Abdullah bin Hamid Ali's avatar

I totally agree. Allah bless you, Shaykh.

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Hamza El Boudali's avatar

Assalamualaikum Sh. Joe,

Hamza here from X.

Sorry if it seems like I’m beating a dead horse, but after reading the addendum, it seems to me Sh. Hatem’s position is not completely at odds with what you’re saying. Granted, I haven’t read his full 100+ page essay on this issue, so I could be wrong about this, but I don’t think he insists on the mut’ah being permanent or semi-permanent. I think he’s happy to stipulate it as a lump sum, similar to how some Muslim governments do it (according to him, they set the price equal to 1-3 years of nafaqah). And he says he doesn’t use the word alimony; that wording came from Dr. Yasir Qadhi on The Thinking Muslim Podcast (though he does defend YQ’s statement, but he himself is not committed to the term or concept of alimony).

You say that for a wealthy man the amount of mut’ah could be on the order of tens of thousands of dollars, and that it provides “a financial cushion to transition to a new life post marriage”. Is that really all that different from what Sh. Hatem is proposing here? Of course you could say this is just one minority fiqhi opinion, but Sh. Hatem is not claiming ijma’ on the opinion.

Someone asked Sh. Hatem under one of his posts about a hypothetical scenario, how much should the man give his wife if she has no support structure, is an old woman, he divorces her arbitrarily, etc.? Sh. Hatem said 150k, a third of his total assets/equity. Perhaps you think this is way too much and his lack of an upper limit is where you two actually disagree?

I get that you’re focused on the motive behind this proposal and a philosophical critique of Western alimony, which you deem to be the actual source of the current conflict. But it’s not clear to me that Sh. Hatem is just trying to import Western solutions behind a smoke screen of fiqh. I do have more doubts about YQ based on his past statements, but Sh. Hatem claims that what he’s proposing here is not re-thinking classical fiqh at all and is actually just applying it correctly to our situation. Putting aside motives, is there a fiqhi argument against the hakim or arbitration committee obligating a man to give hundreds of thousands of dollars in mut’ah (if the wife has no support structure, is divorced arbitrarily, etc.)?

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